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Nv 19, 2013

Here’s ne tae n Renner’s Nv. 8, 2013 cnversatn wth Hadley c ar Ruddc, a slghtly re clete versn f whch can be fund n the Detectve Drtbag blg.

h wrter Jaes Renner sted n hs blg – n 8 Nveber 2013 – the fllwng, n qutes:

“Se t Hadley lce ffcer ar Ruddc tday. He was the lce ffcer wh resnded t aura’s crash [8 FEB 2004] n Hadley, ass, whch ccurred after a nght f excessve drnng. Accrdng t Ruddc, aura wuld have lely been cted fr falure t cntrl her vehcle f she hadn’t have [sc] dsaeared shrtly thereafter.

“Gettng a sdeeanr lely wuld have acted aura’s deal wth the curts related t credt card fraud.

“When ased why he dd nt charge her wth DU that nght, Ruddc hung u n e.”

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Belw s urely y nn:

t’s a vrtual certanty that f aura urray was the drun eratr f a tr vehcle nvlved n a sngle-car crash, Ruddc wuld have arrested her. The lablty asscated wth nt arrestng a drun drver s t great. What f a drun drver, esecally ne wh has already crashed a car, s let g by the resndng ffcer nly t drve anther car and crash that ne, t? What f sene gets hurt? What f a drun drver, allwed t leave the scene f a crash, beces sucdal r beces a danger t sene else? There s n way, barrng a edcal eergency, that Ruddc r any ther c wuld allw a drun drver t leave a crash scene. N atter what the eratr’s excuse s, n atter hw retty she s, n atter what.

Ruddc wuld, le any ther c, have arrested urray f she was drun. After all, t was very late Saturday nght (abut 3:30 A, Sunday rnng). urray was 21 years ld. She lved n nearby SW drs, an area nwn snce ts cnstructn fr student drnng. She had crashed a car. Ruddc wuld certanly have scrutnzed urray very clsely. t wasn’t as f Ruddc sly ulled urray ver fr a nr traffc vlatn.

resuably then, urray wasn’t drun. But f she wasn’t drun, why ddn’t Ruddc sly answer Renner’s questn? Why ddn’t Ruddc tell Renner that urray wasn’t drun? Sees sle enugh. Why hang u n Renner?

But nterestngly enugh, Ruddc, accrdng t RC Stevens, the frst rvate nvestgatr n the case, claed at se nt after the Crlla crash that he, Ruddc, had allwed urray t leave the scene f the crash even thugh she was drun.

Whch s a curus thng fr Ruddc t have claed cnsderng that aura urray was alst certanly nt drun.

Why wuld Ruddc, at se te after the Crlla crash, decde t was better t cla she was drun than t antan she was nt drun?

t’s very unlely that Ruddc wuld have nvented ths new stry ut f the blue. Sethng ust have trggered t. Sethng ust have haened – erhas durng at least ne f the tentally verlang nvestgatns nt the Crlla crash, nt the Vas ht-and-run, r nt urray’s dsaearance tself – t cause Ruddc t tell nvestgatrs that he let urray g even thugh she aeared drun. What ght have tvated Ruddc t essentally change hs accunt and cla that aura urray was drun? What’s the nt?

And f Ruddc let urray g when he shuld have arrested her, was he ever dsclned fr t?

f urray was nt drun, then why ddn’t Ruddc sly tell Renner that she was nt drun?

And f urray was drun, why ddn’t Ruddc arrest her?

t’s hard t beleve that Ruddc wuld have allwed a drun drver wh had just crashed a car t sly leave the scene unarrested, regardless f her excuse – unless sene, ssbly nwn t bth urray and Ruddc, ntervened.

Sees le Ruddc and the Hadley D have se ‘slann t d. T the ublc. ASA.

Quncy, A

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Nv 19, 2013

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Nv 19, 2013

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Alden Hwes lsn wrte:
Here’s ne tae n Renner’s Nv. 8, 2013 cnversatn wth Hadley c ar Ruddc, a slghtly re clete versn f whch can be fund n the Detectve Drtbag blg.
h wrter Jaes Renner sted n hs blg – n 8 Nveber 2013 – the fllwng, n qutes:
“Se t Hadley lce ffcer ar Ruddc tday. He was the lce ffcer wh resnded t aura’s crash [8 FEB 2004] n Hadley, ass, whch ccurred after a nght f excessve drnng. Accrdng t Ruddc, aura wuld have lely been cted fr falure t cntrl her vehcle f she hadn’t have [sc] dsaeared shrtly thereafter.
“Gettng a sdeeanr lely wuld have acted aura’s deal wth the curts related t credt card fraud.
“When ased why he dd nt charge her wth DU that nght, Ruddc hung u n e.”
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Belw s urely y nn:
t’s a vrtual certanty that f aura urray was the drun eratr f a tr vehcle nvlved n a sngle-car crash, Ruddc wuld have arrested her. The lablty asscated wth nt arrestng a drun drver s t great. What f a drun drver, esecally ne wh has already crashed a car, s let g by the resndng ffcer nly t drve anther car and crash that ne, t? What f sene gets hurt? What f a drun drver, allwed t leave the scene f a crash, beces sucdal r beces a danger t sene else? There s n way, barrng a edcal eergency, that Ruddc r any ther c wuld allw a drun drver t leave a crash scene. N atter what the eratr’s excuse s, n atter hw retty she s, n atter what.
Ruddc wuld, le any ther c, have arrested urray f she was drun. After all, t was very late Saturday nght (abut 3:30 A, Sunday rnng). urray was 21 years ld. She lved n nearby SW drs, an area nwn snce ts cnstructn fr student drnng. She had crashed a car. Ruddc wuld certanly have scrutnzed urray very clsely. t wasn’t as f Ruddc sly ulled urray ver fr a nr traffc vlatn.
resuably then, urray wasn’t drun. But f she wasn’t drun, why ddn’t Ruddc sly answer Renner’s questn? Why ddn’t Ruddc tell Renner that urray wasn’t drun? Sees sle enugh. Why hang u n Renner?
But nterestngly enugh, Ruddc, accrdng t RC Stevens, the frst rvate nvestgatr n the case, claed at se nt after the Crlla crash that he, Ruddc, had allwed urray t leave the scene f the crash even thugh she was drun.
Whch s a curus thng fr Ruddc t have claed cnsderng that aura urray was alst certanly nt drun.
Why wuld Ruddc, at se te after the Crlla crash, decde t was better t cla she was drun than t antan she was nt drun?
t’s very unlely that Ruddc wuld have nvented ths new stry ut f the blue. Sethng ust have trggered t. Sethng ust have haened – erhas durng at least ne f the tentally verlang nvestgatns nt the Crlla crash, nt the Vas ht-and-run, r nt urray’s dsaearance tself – t cause Ruddc t tell nvestgatrs that he let urray g even thugh she aeared drun. What ght have tvated Ruddc t essentally change hs accunt and cla that aura urray was drun? What’s the nt?
And f Ruddc let urray g when he shuld have arrested her, was he ever dsclned fr t?
f urray was nt drun, then why ddn’t Ruddc sly tell Renner that she was nt drun?
And f urray was drun, why ddn’t Ruddc arrest her?
t’s hard t beleve that Ruddc wuld have allwed a drun drver wh had just crashed a car t sly leave the scene unarrested, regardless f her excuse – unless sene, ssbly nwn t bth urray and Ruddc, ntervened.
Sees le Ruddc and the Hadley D have se ‘slann t d. T the ublc. ASA.
Never heard f a c lettng sene slde? C’n an!

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Nv 20, 2013

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#6
Nv 20, 2013

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Never heard f a c lettng sene slde? C’n an!
Sure, we’ve all HEARD f t. But n a case le ths, n REALTY, t s very, very rare.

Why fcus n t? f aura urray was drun, the nly way ar Ruddc wuld have let her g s f he ersnally new her. r f sene else wh new bth her and Ruddc ntervened. therwse, she was nt drun.

And f aura was nt drun, why dd Ruddc nt answer Renner’s questn? Why ddn’t Ruddc sly tell Renner that aura urray was nt drun? Sle questn.
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#7
Nv 20, 2013

“The lablty asscated wth nt arrestng a drun drver s t great. What f a drun drver, esecally ne wh has already crashed a car, s let g by the resndng ffcer nly t drve anther car and crash that ne, t?”

Lablty? n what legal bass?

Assung that there s ne, wuld t aly n these facts? aura crashed her father’s car and was taen t her father’s htel. Therefre, the ffcer wuld have n reasn t beleve that she ght erate anther vehcle.

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Nv 20, 2013

Sa Ledyard wrte:
“The lablty asscated wth nt arrestng a drun drver s t great. What f a drun drver, esecally ne wh has already crashed a car, s let g by the resndng ffcer nly t drve anther car and crash that ne, t?”
Lablty? n what legal bass?
Assung that there s ne, wuld t aly n these facts? aura crashed her father’s car and was taen t her father’s htel. Therefre, the ffcer wuld have n reasn t beleve that she ght erate anther vehcle.
Hw dd aura urray get fr the Crlla crash scene n Hadley t her father’s tel? Dd ffcer ar Ruddc drve her t the tel, tuc her n, st besde her fr a few hurs untl she slet t ff? Sees unlely.

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Nv 20, 2013

Sa Ledyard wrte:
“The lablty asscated wth nt arrestng a drun drver s t great. What f a drun drver, esecally ne wh has already crashed a car, s let g by the resndng ffcer nly t drve anther car and crash that ne, t?”
Lablty? n what legal bass?
Assung that there s ne, wuld t aly n these facts? aura crashed her father’s car and was taen t her father’s htel. Therefre, the ffcer wuld have n reasn t beleve that she ght erate anther vehcle.
A c has a chance t arrest a drun drver, a drver s drun she has just crashed the car she was drvng, but he says n, why bther??? Wh cares f she gets cbatve wth the tw truc drver? Wh cares s she jus ut at ne f the traffc lghts u the street? Wh cares f she taes ff fr the tel? Wh cares f she hurts herself r sene else? dn’t thn s.

Are these cncerns sly unnwn t cs – exerenced cs – wh have a drun drver n frnt f the? A drun drver wh has just crashed a vehcle? Are yu sayng Ruddc wuld sly tss standard rcedure ut the wndw and let aura urray g f she was drun? D yu nw Ruddc? D yu thn he’s se nd f sfte? Des the Hadley D have se nd f g-easy lcy n drun drvers wh crash a car? Defntely nt.

Call t lablty r call t cn sense. f yu’re a c and yu have a drun drver n frnt yu wh has just crashed a car, yu cuff the drver and avd any re headaches. Yu ee the drver and the ublc safe. At the very least, yu cver yur wn fanny.

Ruddc s gng t let aura urray g nly f she s ether nt drun R f sene else ces alng and ass r tells Ruddc t nt arrest urray.

T argue therwse s a sure sgn f deseratn.
Sa Ledyard
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Nv 20, 2013

Alden Hwes lsn wrte:
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Hw dd aura urray get fr the Crlla crash scene n Hadley t her father’s tel? Dd ffcer ar Ruddc drve her t the tel, tuc her n, st besde her fr a few hurs untl she slet t ff? Sees unlely.
y understandng s that she gt a rde wth the tw truc. The busness whch twed her vehcle s lcated next t Nrth Aherst trs. erhas yu ght lcate the tw drver and sea wth h. After all, yu lve n the area. ‘ a few hurs away.

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Nv 20, 2013

Sa Ledyard wrte:
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y understandng s that she gt a rde wth the tw truc. The busness whch twed her vehcle s lcated next t Nrth Aherst trs. erhas yu ght lcate the tw drver and sea wth h. After all, yu lve n the area. ‘ a few hurs away.
ar Ruddc’s rert claed aura urray left wth the Cllege Street trs tw truc drver, wh ght be nd f hard t tal wth.

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Nv 20, 2013

dn´t nw abut lablty, but t des ce ff as dd aura was allwed t leave the scene just le that. t sees she wasn´t even gven a breath test. aybe Ruddc was afrad he´d suffer se nd f rfessnal cnsequenses ver nt havng dne a rer jb (nt sayng he ddn´t, just seculatng).

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Nv 20, 2013

Alden Hwes lsn wrte:
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ar Ruddc’s rert claed aura urray left wth the Cllege Street trs tw truc drver, wh ght be nd f hard t tal wth.
Why wuld he be hard t tal wth? Deceased? Deaf & ute? Just ean?
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#15
Nv 21, 2013

S Ths s Werd..

htt://www.tx.c/fru/ca/st-etenne-de-b…

htt://www.tx.c/fru/ca/st-etenne-de-b…

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Nv 21, 2013

htt://www.fxnews.c/entertanent/2012/12/…

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Nv 21, 2013

Gwen wrte:
S Ths s Werd..
htt://www.tx.c/fru/ca/st-etenne-de-b…
htt://www.tx.c/fru/ca/st-etenne-de-b…
And ths…

htt://www.bubblews.c/news/643792-bran-har…

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Nv 21, 2013

Gwen wrte:
S Ths s Werd..
htt://www.tx.c/fru/ca/st-etenne-de-b…
htt://www.tx.c/fru/ca/st-etenne-de-b…
f curse, there’s alway ths

htt://www.tels.c/dentty-slutns/ndex…

lcated n r near Ashburn VA – Ludn Cunty VA s the data center catal f the U.S.

FWW

But ntce that the QC age lacs se f the fraes ncluded n the Aherst age.

But, yes, t’s nt nly werd t the average ersn, t’s als surrsng hw qucly the Aherst ln was sted – rght after started a thread abut aura urray and the Hadley A lce. t’s as f sene was ready t let that fly at a ent’s ntce. Very clever ndeed, at least t the average ersn.

r s t ntended t l le a clue?

Lts f ssbltes here, hard t nw what t eans. But t ddn’t tae lng fr sene t st t after the Aherst thread was started.

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Nv 21, 2013

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ART 1.

Here’s a revsed versn, nw searated nt tw sts, f ths thread’s enng st, whch can be fund by Ggle-ng “detectve drtbag:”

h wrter Jaes Renner sted n hs blg – n 8 Nveber 2013 – the fllwng, n qutatn ars:

“Se t Hadley lce ffcer ar Ruddc tday. He was the lce ffcer wh resnded t aura’s crash [8 FEB 2004] n Hadley, ass, whch ccurred after a nght f excessve drnng.

“Accrdng t Ruddc, aura wuld have lely been cted fr falure t cntrl her vehcle f she hadn’t have [sc] dsaeared shrtly thereafter.
Gettng a sdeeanr lely wuld have acted aura’s deal wth the curts related t credt card fraud.

“When ased why he dd nt charge her wth DU that nght, Ruddc hung u n e.”

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Nv 21, 2013

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ART 2.

Belw s urely y nn:
Under alst all crcustances, t’s a vrtual certanty that f aura urray was the unnjured drun eratr f a tr vehcle nvlved n a sngle-car crash, Hadley lce ffcer ar Ruddc wuld have arrested her. The rs asscated wth nt arrestng a drun drver s t great.

What f a drun drver, esecally ne wh has already crashed a car, s let g by the resndng ffcer nly t drve anther car and crash that ne, t? What f sene gets hurt? What f a drun drver, allwed t leave the scene f a crash, beces sucdal r beces a danger t sene else?

There s n way, under rdnary crcustances, that Ruddc r any ther c wuld allw a drun drver t leave a crash scene. N atter what the eratr’s excuse s, n atter hw retty she s.

And Ruddc wuld certanly have scrutnzed urray very clsely. t was very late Saturday nght (abut 3:30 A, Sunday rnng). urray was 21 years ld. She lved n, and aeared t have just traveled fr, nearby SW drs, an area nwn fr student drnng snce ts cnstructn. She had crashed a car at a well ared ntersectn. t wasn’t as f Ruddc had sly ulled urray ver fr a nr traffc vlatn at nnte.

S t wuld at least aear that f Ruddc dd nt arrest urray, then urray wasn’t drun.

Hwever, accrdng t RC Stevens, the frst rvate nvestgatr n the case, Ruddc dd n fact cla – at se nt after the Crlla crash – that he, Ruddc, had allwed urray t leave the crash scene even thugh she was drun.

n ther wrds, Ruddc, n essence, changed hs stry. Whch erhas exlans why Ruddc refused t answer Renner’s questn. f urray was nt drun, r f Ruddc cntnued t antan that urray was nt drun, then t wuld have been sle and easy t answer Renner’s questn. nstead f hangng u n Renner.

But why wuld Ruddc change hs stry? Why, at se nt after the Crlla crash, wuld he decde t was better t cla she was drun than cntnue t antan she was nt drun?

t’s very unlely that Ruddc wuld have nvented ths new stry ut f the blue. Sethng ust have trggered t. Sethng ust have haened – erhas durng at least ne f the tentally verlang nvestgatns nt the Crlla crash, nt the Vas ht-and-run, r nt urray’s dsaearance tself – t cause Ruddc t tell nvestgatrs that he let urray g even thugh she aeared drun.

Snce t’s extreely unlely that Ruddc wuld have allwed a drun drver wh had just crashed a car t sly leave the scene unarrested, ne has t wnder…

Dd sene else, rbably nwn t bth urray and Ruddc, ntervene? Dd sene else ersuade Ruddc t release aura urray unarrested? Dd Ruddc change hs stry n rder t rtect that ersn?

r dd Ruddc change hs stry because nvestgatrs beleved that the crash culd nt have haened unless ether urray was drun r the crash was delberate?

bvusly, t was ssble t get aura urray’s versn f what haened. But there sure has been a lt f nterest n the Hadley Crlla crash.

t ght be nted that Ruddc wred fr the lce deartent n Gll A, next t Greenfeld, befre wrng at the Hadley D.

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Nv 21, 2013

r yu can just g here:

htt://detectvedrtbag.blgst.c/2013/11/…

t’s a lttle easer n the eyes and s ne st n a shrt blg abut aura urray’s dsaearance.

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#22
Nv 21, 2013

S nly tw days after started ths thread – and n the frst age, n less – tw sts have been deleted. TS vlatn?

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Finally JR Posted a coherent burrito on his blog that was logical, made sense and explained some of the strange things that never made sense. Interesting that it was wrote by someone else 5 years ago on another forum. I think that about sums up JR’s blog.

But masons burrito is very compelling that fred was involved. There’s several things that make me think he is and has been the prime suspect in this disappearance. Half the time when i see him speak i think hes playing up the saddened father angle and the other half the time i think he looks like he just feels super guilty about something. maybe because he thinks his.controlling personality drove her to nh where a dirt bag snatched her up but maybe its something more.

One other point about Fred is that he has never been cleared as a suspect. The authorities say that they’ve reviewed his work schedule or something to the effect but never that it proves he is innocent or that he is not a suspect. it is potentially possible that they reviewed them and found he actually took a sick day on the 9th or 10th. think they would tell the public that?

and is this cliantro true that he did not sit down for a formal interview for 2 years and then brought 2 lawyers? so that means that when he was suing for the files he had not even been interviewed?? Who does this guy think he is? He seems to think that the rules dont apply to him. That’s crazy to even think someone would have the Gaul to try that. You sit down with the authorities, you work with them and as you build a relationship with the investigators on your case they start to trust you and will give out inside information if they have eliminated you as a suspect. i almost get the sense that fred wanted to piss off the detectives because he certainly was not trying to help them or work with them. his actions are not the actions of a man trying to do everything possible to find his daughter. he might say this is what he wants but his actions can be interpreted to the.contrary.
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Holy crap is john green cliantro that numb-skulled???
He.thought that use of the word steak was some steak used by an online clique? this guy has some serious issues with reality he could have easily figured that out. all you need to do is read advocates archived forum. and not be s completely paranoid idiot would probably help as well.w

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dontletgo wrote:
Holy crap is john green cliantro that numb-skulled???
He.thought that use of the word steak was some steak used by an online clique? this guy has some serious issues with reality he could have easily figured that out. all you need to do is read advocates archived forum. and not be s completely paranoid idiot would probably help as well.w
Now you ruined it. They have been going over some of the same stupid “nachos” on webslothes also. Some thinking it was some sexist steak. Please don’t clue these people in. Just let them ramble on. One, its funny as hell. Two, if they are doing something this stupid, they aren’t getting in trouble by doing something else. And thirdly, it winds up being in black and white how stupid some of these people are, which is a very good thing.

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